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Showing posts with label ComColor. Show all posts
Showing posts with label ComColor. Show all posts
Saturday, November 20, 2010
ComCOLOR Where are You!
It's been over a year since I've seen Riso's ComCOLOR devices. At first I was skeptical of the quality and thought with that type of quality and the MSRP there’s no way this system can make a dent in the office equipment industry.
In late November of 2009 I was shown samples of the output from the ComCOLOR; basically it was Riso’s test sample file field kit. The images were awesome and I was blown away. With the quality I saw and the MSRP I figured there was a place for this system.
Thus out with my sample packs I went, I picked up a few accounts that were highly interested and two actually came in for a demo. I almost sold a ComCOLOR in December of 2009, however it never got delivered (that’s another story to tell, thanx RISO), and I’m kind of glad it didn’t. I had secured another demo prior to the Print On Demand Show in Phili of 2010. My client loved the speed and the output was acceptable for the end product he needed to produce except for one tiny thing…….. bleed thru of the image on two sided documents were not acceptable. Well, back to the drawing board, off to the Print On-Demand Show to look for the Holy Grail, I was sure I’d find the right paper at one of the largest shows on the East Coast. As I went from paper vendor to paper vendor, all had nothing to offer, ohhhh bother…….., this was not good. I then went to the small booth where Riso was showing the ComCOLOR and they sighed and exclaimed as of right now there was no paper that would limit the bleed through, however we have this awesome inkjet paper (11x17) but….it’s a little high with a cost per sheet of .12 cents (this is from memory now and at my age it’s a little tougher and tougher every day), ooohhh bother, .12 cents won’t cut it either.
So as the hours turned to days, the show was over and the days turned to weeks and the weeks went to months there was no Holy Grail for the paper. What I did realize after the show is that all of the print samples that I was showing was printed on premium ink jet paper that had a cost of .12 cents a page, don’t ya think there should have been a label or something, maybe a disclaimer??? Ooohhh bother, I should have been more diligent in asking about the media.
We’re now almost a year later and I have to tell you, I haven’t sold a ComCOLOR and haven’t seen one in the field, your guess is as good as mine to where they are hiding. I’m still trying to pitch the quality and speed however the MSRP price of these units are way over priced and probably the reason why you don’t seem em in every CRD or Print Shop. Now with Memjet heads finally coming to market in various systems like the Astro1, I think we can count the days of the demise of the ComCOLOR and possibly RISO.
Since August 9th there's been seven blogs on their www.risoprinter.com site, last year at this time before Murphy left they had a few blogs posting every week, plus they were tweeting the heck out of the product. It seems the ComCOLOR is grasping at straws; one blog based on MPS, another for single pass promo and secure MICR. In their latest blog they tout that Imaging Channel (not sure who they are, will research) had taken a “fresh look” at Riso’s Youtube video, if you ask me, maybe Imaging Channel should have tried one of these and then asked themselves if they would fork out 40K-70K for so so color.
Riso, I’d love to sell your product, however maybe it’s not ready for me or I’m not ready for it, or maybe we’ll never understand each other.
-=Good Selling=-
Wednesday, May 19, 2010
Print4Pay Hotel Weekend Updates for 5/21/10

Print4Pay Value Membership
Rumor has it.....
What will come of this?
Are Step Leases ethical business practise?
Congress to get involved with Copier Hard Drives
Ink jet printer CPP
Daily Sales Philosophy
Interesting Threads:
Ricoh Convergence 2010
Need Help Against Konica
KM Promo
Xerxo 6605 Color Scan
marketing Wide Format Color?
How to Justify a Large-Format Scanner, Part 1
Posted Price Quotes:
Scottsboro, Alabama 35768
Yarnell Justice Precinct
Toshiba Bid fpr Muni
Leads, RFP's & RFQ's:
Lead for 20-25ppm in Lousiville, KY
Lead for multiple MFP's in Jacksonville, FL
Ricoh W3600 Wide Format Lead in New England!
Multi MFP's needed in Indiana
Lead for 45ppm MFP in Virgina
MFP & MPS Bid in Southern Cal
Hot Lead for 30-50ppm MFP in Raleigh, NC
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Sunday, May 9, 2010
Print4Pay Hotel Weekend Updates for 5/8/10

Most Viewed Threads:
Print4Pay Value Membership
Rumor has it.....
Does your Copier Service Contract still reflect 1970's Analog Copiers?
Additional Insured?
What do the CEO's of Ricoh, Xerox, Canon & KonicaMinolta have in common?
When NOT to save money...
Daily Sales Philosophy
Interesting Threads:
Are Step Leases ethical business practice?
Sheriff's Deputies Raid LMI Solutions!
Konica Minolta Previews bizhub 423 Series
New Xerox Wide Format Device Offers High-Speed Precision Printing; Ideal for Construc
How to Justify a Large-Format Scanner, Part 1
Posted Price Quotes:
Scottsboro, Alabama 35768
Yarnell Justice Precinct
Toshiba Bid fpr Muni
Leads, RFP's & RFQ's:
Managed Print Services PROPOSALS DUE: May 2010
2 45ppm systems in San Bernadino, CA
lEAD FOR A 70PPM DEVICE IN Oregon
Lead in Atlanta for 30-50ppm color
A fleet of approximately 500 total networked devices MPS Bid
PA is seeking a vendor to provide Printing Services for use by the District's schools
74 -- Office machines, text processing systems & visible record equipment
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Friday, April 23, 2010
Print4Pay Hotel Weekend Updates for 4/23/10
Below is some of extreme content from the last week that's been posted on the Print4Pay Hotel's forums in recent weeks. It's been busy with at the P4P Hotel forums with over 35,000 page views, and 88 new members.
Most Viewed Threads:
Print4Pay Value Membership
CBS NEWS REPORT ON COPIER SECURITY
Additional Insured?
Check out the New BizHub C8000 Video
P4P Hotels OnDemand/AIIM Show Highlights
The Office Copier turns 50!
Daily Sales Philosophy
Interesting Threads:
Canon U.S.A. Expands imageRUNNER ADVANCE Line with The Introduction of Two New Monoch
Who will be at "On Demand" in Phili?
Weekend MFP Industry Notes 4-23-10
Ricoh closing Irving, TX office
Police data on copiers causes city to scramble
Posted Price Quotes:
Scottsboro, Alabama 35768
Yarnell Justice Precinct
Toshiba Bid fpr Muni
Leads, RFP's & RFQ's:
Lead for Multi-Functional Devices (Copiers)
Lead in Atlanta for 30-50ppm color
A fleet of approximately 500 total networked devices MPS Bid
PA is seeking a vendor to provide Printing Services for use by the District's schools
74 -- Office machines, text processing systems & visible record equipment
SEASIDE RFP
RFP for one HV MFP in Michigan
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Thursday, April 22, 2010
Print4Pay Hotels AIIM/On Demand Show Coverage Part II
Today was the last day of the AIIM/On Demand Show in Phili, while I could only commit to one day, I still have more to blog on for everyone. Can't wait until next year when the show moves to Washington, DC. There will be three shows in one! AIIM, OnDemand and ITEX, this should be a killer and I'll be saving my money for a P4P Hotel Booth!
On my second leg of the event I wanted find out more about Aqueous/UV coatings, how its done, the speed, the cost of the machines and the cost of the consumables. I stoped at KOMPAC, didn't even know they were located around the corner from me. On the low end they had a device where you could hand feed sheets for a UV coating, they use a liquid that comes in one gallon containers, you hand feed the documents in the liquid is dispered onto the paper and then the document/printer piece is subjet to a UV light thus turning the liquid into a solid. Producing a varnished/high gloss document. Cost is estimated at .01 to .02 cents per square foot.
I looked at this technology because of the ComColors, since they can't print on gloss and the print is a dull/matt finish. Lowend price for the one system was 18K and then you could add a sheet feeder to it, didn't bother to price out the sheet feeder. I've heard there are less expensive systems however I did not have the time to vist all of the manufacturers that were there, seems like there are many players in this market from the low end to the high end.
From there I went to look at envelope presses, what's and envelope press you might ask. Well it's nothing more than a glorified laser printer with some enhancements. The boot I visited was from Xante, there they had two oki 9850's. Cost per image per envelope is estimated at .02, I;m thing more like .025-.030
The first was outfitted with a top down envelope feeder and exit conveyor feeder, this system was had a variable resistor to control heat and another for ..............uh, I don't remember,,,I'll get to my notes in a moment. The first Illumia as Xante calls $15,995 and had a speed of 60 envelopes per minute. The other was another 9850 however this was equipment with a fieryor some color matching software and that device was around $20k. How many envelopes do you have to print to get back your investment?? One printer I spoke to the other day told me that he would resell the envelopes for .15 cents each!!! That's alot of money for branding huh!! So, basically you'd have to sell 133,000 envelopes and or have a minimum volume of 2,700 envelopes a month just to turn a small profit! Alas, this product is HOT! Mark my words, every print will have one of these in the next 5 years, whether it's laser or inkjet, this is the last part of a shop going digital!! Oki, took my advise and finally came out with thier own envelope printer a few months ago, Ricoh did not take my advise and it seems to me that right now, Oki is capturing ALL of the consumables in this lucrative market.
Bad things I've heard about these presses, light creasing with corners, really not a big deal, some printers have gone to side flaps. Other is the cost of consumables, especially if you buy from Xante! Again, I mentioned to RISO that they need to take thier technology a step further and develop and inexpensive inkjet envelope press, Riso could do this for a penny and produce evenlopes at a speed of 180-300 per minute!!!
Thats's it for now, more to come when I have the time, end of the month for me!
-=Good Selling=-
Wednesday, April 21, 2010
P4P Hotels Take on AIIM/On Demand for 2010
Well, I excited to say that there was a large crowd waiting to get on the show floor and when I left there was still alot of volume. More than I expected and much more than last year!
I overheard many vendors speak about the volume and the interest from buyers!
My first mission was to find paper, actually paper for my ComColor. I was in pursuit of a 15 oe 18# smooth paper that asborbed ink well and had a high opacity. Actually I thought I'd be coming home with sample paper paks to test the next. How the heck did I know that paper suppliers do not bring samples to hand out anymore!! arghhhhh, hopegully all of my samples will arrive in the few days or so!
If you haven't checked out paper suppliers lately, you really need to, there are some awesome stocks, weights, colors, waterproof, etc.... could help us sell an extra few units a year.
From there I was off to the ComColor booth to see if they had any papers that matched my critera, they did not and stated that they were looking for the same thing I was. I met the Manager of Field Marketing and spoke to some of the others there in reference to my thoughts for the ComColor and where I think it has the best chance of success.
They are looking for different channels to sell the ComColor like paper suppliers, graphic art suppliers and dealers that sell mailing equipment. I agree with the last one and disagree with the others. A statement was made that the old Riso's were sold to mainly churchs and they felt the existing line of RISO dealers did not have the knowledge nor the resources to move the ComColor's. I told them that if they want to move these boxes and or get them mainstream they need to lower the MSRP to the 25k - 30K range, they could do this if they changed the ink cartridge for the 3010 or the 3050 and charged more for the ink. Capturing 100 million pages per month and increasing the color ink cost by only one penny would result in an additional million dollars of revenue per month, thus far offsetting the reduction in price on the units.
With that off I went, I did see an old friend from NJ on the way over to my next stop!
From there I was on a picture taking mission and went to see the new KM 8000 color press. I was amazed at how small the print engine was!!!! With all of the accessories we're talking 20-30 feet in length! Like I said I was on a mission and then traveled to the Canon booth.
Canon as usually had a small army there!! The must have been 100 reps from Canon or more. They had a full layout of solutions for SMB's and had all of thier products there.
more to come.......
Friday, April 16, 2010
Print4Pay Hotel Weekend Updates for 4/16/10

Below is some of serious content from the last few days that's been posted on the Print4Pay Hotel's forums in recent weeks. It has been busy with over 30,000 page views, and 67 new members.
Most Viewed Threads:
Print4Pay Value Membership
FedEx Office, Canon U.S.A. and HP Collaborate to Redefine Retail Printing
New Xerox Wide Format Device Offers High-Speed Precision Printing;
New Toshiba 2020C A3 Color Coming to America!
Daily Sales Philosophy
Interesting Threads:
Ricoh Ranked Among The Top in U.S. Copier Market
AutoStore for Ricoh iPhone app
Relators and Leasing
Ricoh closing Irving, TX office
Posted Price Quotes:
Scottsboro, Alabama 35768
Yarnell Justice Precinct
Toshiba Bid fpr Muni
Leads, RFP's & RFQ's:
Lead in Indy!
RFQ for 6 MPF's in Texas
Maintenance Agreement for 47 Copiers
Easten Pa City needs Color Multifunctional Copier RFP
Color Wide Format RFP in Ontario
SEASIDE RFP
RFP for one HV MFP in Michigan
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Friday, April 9, 2010
Print4Pay Hotel Weekend Updates for 4/9/10

Most Viewed Threads:
Print4Pay Value Membership
Who will be at "On Demand" in Phili?
Ricoh Ikon Letter
Rumor has it..... (over 2,000 page views)
Matt Espe named CEO of Ricoh Americas Corp
Interesting Threads:
Canon to extend Duplo partnership at Ipex
Who will be at "On Demand" in Phili?
Test your MFP knowledge Quiz III
Canon is preparing to launch 5 new b/w A3 MFPs
ComColor IS9000 Controller
Posted Price Quotes:
Scottsboro, Alabama 35768
Yarnell Justice Precinct
Toshiba Bid fpr Muni
Leads, RFP's & RFQ's:
RFP for 410 MFP's in New York
Request for Proposal/Proposal Due Date‐ 04/20/10
The Higher Education Policy RFP
Western Pa City need Multifunctional Copier RFP
RFP for 20 MFP's in Hawaii.
SEASIDE RFP
RFP for one HV MFP in Michigan
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Monday, March 29, 2010
HP's Edgeline Missed the Resurrection Ship
Seems like HP's Edgeline has missed the departure gate for the Resurrection Ship.
Rumors state that the Edgeline is being discontinued....also certain reports indicate that HP will support all MIF's for 5 years.
Bloggers like Greg at Death of the Copier and I have blogged about the Edgeline and from time to time gave our opinions as to why the HP Edgeline is now considered the "New Coke" of the Office Equipment Industry.
In one report it was suggested that the demise of the Edgeline was based on the market still favors laser technology. Maybe, just maybe the Edgeline was ahead of its time. When the Edgeline was released (about May of 2007) most of us were enjoying the fruits of our success and we weren’t overwhelmed with a multifunctional ink system that produced average business color for a penny or two less than its laser counterparts. Also no one was interested is saving a few additional pennies for accent color, hey times were good and HP had to WOW us and they didn't. What about NOW? With the current drag of the recession, cost is first and foremost on everyone’s mind. Why can't the HP Edgeline make a comeback with some minor teaks with speeds and feeds and a much lower MSRP.
A recent release from Lyra "Lyra expects commercial ink jet printer technologies and products to play a significant role in the future growth of the digital imaging industry. Leaders from major OEMs such as Canon/Océ, HP, InfoPrint, Kodak, and Screen as well as print head manufacturers and ink and media suppliers are converging to advance commercial ink jet technology."
I believe the office market is ready for inkjet technology, in a previous blog about Riso's ComColor (ink); we coined the technology as "News Color". Meaning, color documents that are read today and gone tomorrow, why in the world do we need laser color to market our services, products, and or information bearing media if it's going to read today and gone tomorrow.
If you believe that we've been in the Great Recession, then you'll probably agree that all of us will be more conscious of our costs moving forward, who wouldn't. Thus, the emergence of less expensive print technology that will cut costs and help the environment should be a no brainer. Of course MSRP's along with speeds and feeds have to be in line with current laser technology.
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Tuesday, March 2, 2010
Print4Pay Hotel coins New Phrase for Office Equipment Industry "News Color"
Today was pretty eventful day on the road for me.
For those who follow me, you all know I'm really excited about the new ComColor products from Riso!
Earlier today I had an appointment at one of my print shop accounts, with me I brought a sample of a 32 page booklet that was given to me from a prospect for a ComColor device.
The reason I brought him the book was two fold, A) The prospect told me he needed to see samples print from the ComColor on the same type of paper that was used in the printed booklet. I'm no expert on paper and web press, thus my reasoning for getting my expert involved. B) I needed an education on different types of paper and how a web press works.
Here' what I found out today, the paper used for the booket was classified as 16lb offset (newspaper stock), my customer suggested that I find a 16lb offset opaque paper (he actually contacted his supplier and they provided me with sample sheets) and that would help prevent bleed through (from using a thin sheet of stock) from the ink that is used from the ComColor.
For the last week or so, I had been looking for some type of term to define the type of color that the ComColor or any liquid ink based MFP reproduces.
Well...., from here on in I'm calling the type of color that's reproduced on the ComColor as NEWS COLOR! We've got laser color, we've use B2C Color and walla now we have NEWS COLOR.
What defines NEWS COLOR? I'm using "read today and gone tomorrow", the color that you'll see in USA Today or other newspapers, along with flyers and leaflets. NEWS COLOR can be used to represent the type of color that ink based MFP's can reproduce. News Color seems to be a perfect description and I'll be running with it. More to come on this!!!
-=Good Selling=-
Thursday, February 18, 2010
Riso ComColor Review
To tell you the truth, I was always skeptical about the Riso's new ComColor devices. The engine technology is ink, it's simple and the new ComColor's from Riso seem to be a hit and not a bust like the HP's Edgeline.
There are acutally six different models, the 3010 and the 3050 are 90 ppm full color devices that will copy, print and scan letter and legal only. The 7010 and 7050 are 120 ppm full color devices that will copy, print and scan letter, legal and ledger. Then there's the flagship models of the 9010 and the 9050 capable of 150 ppm color that will also copy, print and scan letter, legal and ledger.
Today, I had the chance to print various documents to the 7050, to say the least, I WAS IMPRESSED. This was my first "hands on" for the equipment. I printed a 12 page full color 11x17 booklet (saddle stitched) in about 15 seconds and a 32 page booklet (saddle stitched) in about 30 seconds. Not only was I impressed with the speed, but these speeds where acheived with the highest quality settings. I used 300x600, line smoothing and error diffusion , the quality of the color was exceptional! Since the ComColor uses ink, of course it won't give laser output, but it will give you knock your socks off color at a great price of three and a half cents per page and don't forget about the speed!
I also took notice that with the standard printer driver you also had the capability of using a 70 line screen and a 100 line screen. I tested these two screens on the booklets and again the output impressed me.
To me the ComColor's mantra should be "Print Shop in Box", it's a little limited with very heavy stock, however I was able to run 90lb index two sided with out a hitch. I also test pressure seal paper which fed very well and also produced very good quality.
The unit I tested had an MSRP of about $65,000. The system is designed to run 500,000 pages per month.
Where do I see this system making a big splash? Direct Mail and in house CRD's. Direct Mail has an awesome application with pressure seal paper. For just pennies, you can produce full color direct mail pieces that can include the outbound postal indicia and the return "reply card" postal indicia. The entire piece can be printed two sided with the variable data. No more boring direct mail letters in monochrome, combined with the pressure seal paper and color, this is an awesome solution for all Direct Mail Companies.
It's late, I think the ComColor is a winner, and give it a ten! Can't wait to see the next generation of these models. Maybe they'll get the price down to make them affordable for the SMB market.
-=Good Selling=-
BTW, if RISO is reading this, thanx for helping
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Tuesday, January 26, 2010
P4P Hotel "News & Updates" Week of January 26th 2010

Here's some of the HOT content from the last few days that's been posted on the Print4Pay Hotel's forums in recent weeks. It has been busy with over 30,000 page views, 81 new members and a little over a 1,000 downloads.
Webinar Threads:
February 10th---- NEW Print Audit "MIF" Review Webinar!
Most Viewed Threads:
PC issues with MP W5100/7140 c...
Ricoh Pro C720
Toner Page Cover Examples
Xerox Plans to Cut 2,500 Jobs
Help, IKON CPP500 Relationship with Konica Minolta
Interesting Threads:
Selling Copiers "Machines in Field" Review
KonicaMinolta loses NJ Dealer!
New University Copier Contract (Xerox)
Soda, Pop, Coke or Other
The Next One
Bizhubs and Alchemy
Posted RFP's:
3 MFP's RFQ (Due 2/12/10)
6 MPF's "BIDS ARE DUE BY FEBRUARY 15, 2010"
Copiers for Iraq
Bid for 20 MFP's
Qty 1 New Production Copy Machine "Expires 1/21/10"
RFP for 431 units
Pricing on the Street:
Ricoh Pro 907EX
Canon imagePRESS 1110S
Xerox DocuColor 242
Ricoh Pro C900
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Canon,
ComColor,
KIP,
Konica Minolta,
P4PHotel News,
Print Audit,
Print Management Solutions,
RFPs,
ricoh,
Ricoh. Sharp,
Samsung,
Scanning,
Street Pricing,
Wide Format,
Xerox
Tuesday, January 19, 2010
P4P Hotel "News & Updates"

Interesting Threads:
February 10th---- NEW Print Audit "MIF" Review Webinar!
The History of Cloud Computing
Most Viewed Threads:
Hold for Resources
Let's talk about ComColor
Top Patents Issued in 2009
Managed Print Services Shaking up the Office Equipment
Scan in One City, Print in Another by City
Interesting Threads:
Selling Copiers "Machines in Field" Review
DECEMBER PROMOS* and HOME THEATER GIVEAWAY!!*
Samsung "Going After the Big Dogs"
Top Ten Predictions for the Copier Industry in 2010
Regarding Canon Fax830i
How to Justify a Large-Format Scanner, Part 1
How an $18K printer turned into a $1.5M lawsuit Nashville Business Journal
Posted RFP's:
Qty 1 New Production Copy Machine "Expires 1/21/10"
RFP for 431 units
Print Optimization Project
Copiers for the City's Reprographics Office
Purchase Of Printers
CANON COPIER MAINTENANCE AND SUSTAINMENT
Pricing on the Street:
Ricoh MPC 4000 Proposal
KM Bizhub C360 & C280
Ricoh MP C3300SPF
City of Ashland "Ricoh Agreement"
KIP 3100
KM bizhub C360 Muni Proposal
sHARP MX503N_Sharp MX453n pROPOSAL
Sharp 5MX503N_SharpMX453N Quote
Xerox 5655PT_Xerox 5638PT
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become informed, share and maintain your knowledge.
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Labels:
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ComColor,
KIP,
Konica Minolta,
P4PHotel News,
Print Audit,
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RFPs,
ricoh,
Ricoh. Sharp,
Samsung,
Scanning,
Street Pricing,
Wide Format,
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